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2004-04-07 05:04:20 PM
OK, so now you are pushing the idea that you are not one of the worst
LASIK outcomes in the history of the procedure. So why do you have 80
pounds of records, depositions, etc.?
The answer is, you are indeed either one of the very worst results
and/or you are one of the worst malcontents there ever has been.
There are now over 1,500,000 people having LASIK done every year now.
Why should anybody be concerned about one isolated case done 5 years
ago to some nut? Over 30,000 children die every day from malnutrition
and disease - not one of them from LASIK. Over 40,000 people per year
in the US die in traffic accidents. Nobody has ever died from LASIK.
I do know about one case of someone dying from cataract surgery though
- of course they were quite old.
On 6 Apr 2004 23:14:56 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
Quote
Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<532670lm1c18e8a1umgjfhdgr39mpnla71@4ax.com>...
>On 6 Apr 2004 08:25:44 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>
>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<6qb470tv9i6m2nc87p8ht152dn70ekc7or@4ax.com>...
>>>On 5 Apr 2004 20:43:07 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<796270103ufqmsopkni6av23grkphpok1a@4ax.com>...
>>>>>On 4 Apr 2004 23:38:51 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For DLK, which is an interface inflammation. Are you going to tell me
>>>>>>that you've never heard of a flap lift for DLK, Glenn? How about for
>>>>>>CTK? We don't have to go too far to find a patient who's had one. I
>>>>>>have, and you know, I am darned sure that I'm not the only one to have
>>>>>>undergone such a procedure. You can verify my words with Dr.
>>>>>>Maloney, if you need to. The second relift he did on my right eye was
>>>>>>to wash out inflammation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Two relifts on your right eye? Broken foot? Ripped off your
>>>>>epithelium with your RGP plunger? Corenal abrasion from being poked
>>>>>in the eye?
>>>>>
>>>>>You must be cursed. Are you in the Guiness Book yet?
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I had six relifts on the right eye, and I have not had an
>>>>abrasion from being poked in the eye. I'm actually in a frame of mind
>>>>of feeling very blessed, Christopher. My mom was diagnosed with
>>>>metastasized cancer at age 43 and I'm now 44. I have a lot to be
>>>>thankful for---I am still astounded at how an RGP lens eliminates
>>>>nearly all of the visual aberrations the cracks in my flap and ridge
>>>>in my cornea apparently cause, especially because the problems are not
>>>>all on the surface of my cornea.
>>>
>>>The main problem is between your ears.
>>>Six relifts in the right eye. Mercy.
>>>
>>>Hey Glenn... what percentage of patients have at least one relift?
>>>10%?
>>>How about 2 relifts? 1%?
>>>3 relifts?
>>>4 relifts???
>>>5 relifts???
>>>6 relifts???
>>>
>>>Someone call the people at the Guiness Book.
>>>
>>>Someone who claims to have just about the worst LASIK experience of
>>>anybody on the planet and then constantly tries to scare people into
>>>thinking those results are common is clearly not a rational person.
>>
>>That's where you are wrong. I do not claim to have had one of the
>>worst experiences with lasik. There are so many others so much worse
>>off than myself. I consider myself one of the lucky ones because I
>>can see again, I did not lose my career and I am not in pain.
>
>If half of what you say is true, which in your case - it probably
>isn't - then you are certainly had one of the worst experiences ever
>with lasik.

It's all documented by medical and legal records, which the State of
Calif. has--80 pounds of records, depositions, etc. Four more months
until we have a new budget, and possibly the money to resume
investigating bad docs. A funny aside: There were so many documents
that my attorney reportedly wanted a few thousand bucks to make copies
of them. The State refused, and forced him to ship them up to
Sacramento, where they took them to Kinko's and made their own copies
and then shipped the originals back to my attorney in several boxes.
I guess he didn't make enough money doing nothing while allowing me to
do all of the research and thinking for him, including writing over
200 questions for the depositions myself.
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Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<pqf770d748ieqhbpc6agea4v2hlt5p7hve@4ax.com>...
Quote
OK, so now you are pushing the idea that you are not one of the worst
LASIK outcomes in the history of the procedure. So why do you have 80
pounds of records, depositions, etc.?
I get so weary of explaining and re-explaining....my OUTCOME is that I
am correctable to 20/15 with a hard contact lens. Not bad,
considering what my cornea has been through. Without a lens, I can
barely make out the big E on the chart (and I see many of them layered
on top of each other), but I am so happy that a lens will correct my
problems. You just have no clue, Christopher, about the horrific
outcomes out there. Blindness, people having multiple transplants and
ending up with 10 diopters of astigmatism, unable to drive, work,
enjoy sports, etc. Extreme dry eye pain that never stops. The list
goes on and on. Yes, what I went through was really tough, but I am
on the other side of that now, and other than still trying to find a
great contact lens fit and spending five or ten minutes reading this
board for entertainment most days, I have moved on. When I say that I
feel very fortunate about my OUTCOME, why do you insist on calling me
a malcontent? Is everyone who experieces something negative and tries
to change the world for better a "malcontent" in your eyes? Other
than using a laser for some lasik surgeries, what has really changed
since I had my surgery? It may have been five years ago, but lasik is
still lasik. I know you read SE. Don't you see the people currently
landing there with complications from this amazing new technology
called "Wavefront LASIK"? Same old same old--irregular astigmatism,
night vision problems, dry eyes--what has really changed?
Quote

The answer is, you are indeed either one of the very worst results
and/or you are one of the worst malcontents there ever has been.

There are now over 1,500,000 people having LASIK done every year now.
Why should anybody be concerned about one isolated case done 5 years
ago to some nut? Over 30,000 children die every day from malnutrition
and disease - not one of them from LASIK. Over 40,000 people per year
in the US die in traffic accidents. Nobody has ever died from LASIK.
I do know about one case of someone dying from cataract surgery though
- of course they were quite old.


On 6 Apr 2004 23:14:56 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:

>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<532670lm1c18e8a1umgjfhdgr39mpnla71@4ax.com>...
>>On 6 Apr 2004 08:25:44 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>
>>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<6qb470tv9i6m2nc87p8ht152dn70ekc7or@4ax.com>...
>>>>On 5 Apr 2004 20:43:07 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<796270103ufqmsopkni6av23grkphpok1a@4ax.com>...
>>>>>>On 4 Apr 2004 23:38:51 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For DLK, which is an interface inflammation. Are you going to tell me
>>>>>>>that you've never heard of a flap lift for DLK, Glenn? How about for
>>>>>>>CTK? We don't have to go too far to find a patient who's had one. I
>>>>>>>have, and you know, I am darned sure that I'm not the only one to have
>>>>>>>undergone such a procedure. You can verify my words with Dr.
>>>>>>>Maloney, if you need to. The second relift he did on my right eye was
>>>>>>>to wash out inflammation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Two relifts on your right eye? Broken foot? Ripped off your
>>>>>>epithelium with your RGP plunger? Corenal abrasion from being poked
>>>>>>in the eye?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You must be cursed. Are you in the Guiness Book yet?
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I had six relifts on the right eye, and I have not had an
>>>>>abrasion from being poked in the eye. I'm actually in a frame of mind
>>>>>of feeling very blessed, Christopher. My mom was diagnosed with
>>>>>metastasized cancer at age 43 and I'm now 44. I have a lot to be
>>>>>thankful for---I am still astounded at how an RGP lens eliminates
>>>>>nearly all of the visual aberrations the cracks in my flap and ridge
>>>>>in my cornea apparently cause, especially because the problems are not
>>>>>all on the surface of my cornea.
>>>>
>>>>The main problem is between your ears.
>>>>Six relifts in the right eye. Mercy.
>>>>
>>>>Hey Glenn... what percentage of patients have at least one relift?
>>>>10%?
>>>>How about 2 relifts? 1%?
>>>>3 relifts?
>>>>4 relifts???
>>>>5 relifts???
>>>>6 relifts???
>>>>
>>>>Someone call the people at the Guiness Book.
>>>>
>>>>Someone who claims to have just about the worst LASIK experience of
>>>>anybody on the planet and then constantly tries to scare people into
>>>>thinking those results are common is clearly not a rational person.
>>>
>>>That's where you are wrong. I do not claim to have had one of the
>>>worst experiences with lasik. There are so many others so much worse
>>>off than myself. I consider myself one of the lucky ones because I
>>>can see again, I did not lose my career and I am not in pain.
>>
>>If half of what you say is true, which in your case - it probably
>>isn't - then you are certainly had one of the worst experiences ever
>>with lasik.
>
>It's all documented by medical and legal records, which the State of
>Calif. has--80 pounds of records, depositions, etc. Four more months
>until we have a new budget, and possibly the money to resume
>investigating bad docs. A funny aside: There were so many documents
>that my attorney reportedly wanted a few thousand bucks to make copies
>of them. The State refused, and forced him to ship them up to
>Sacramento, where they took them to Kinko's and made their own copies
>and then shipped the originals back to my attorney in several boxes.
>I guess he didn't make enough money doing nothing while allowing me to
>do all of the research and thinking for him, including writing over
>200 questions for the depositions myself.
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Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

What you get weary of is contradicting yourself with just about every
message you post.
Your credibility is less than zero.
We are weary of you.
On 7 Apr 2004 08:36:54 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
Quote
Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<pqf770d748ieqhbpc6agea4v2hlt5p7hve@4ax.com>...
>OK, so now you are pushing the idea that you are not one of the worst
>LASIK outcomes in the history of the procedure. So why do you have 80
>pounds of records, depositions, etc.?

I get so weary of explaining and re-explaining....my OUTCOME is that I
am correctable to 20/15 with a hard contact lens. Not bad,
considering what my cornea has been through. Without a lens, I can
barely make out the big E on the chart (and I see many of them layered
on top of each other), but I am so happy that a lens will correct my
problems. You just have no clue, Christopher, about the horrific
outcomes out there. Blindness, people having multiple transplants and
ending up with 10 diopters of astigmatism, unable to drive, work,
enjoy sports, etc. Extreme dry eye pain that never stops. The list
goes on and on. Yes, what I went through was really tough, but I am
on the other side of that now, and other than still trying to find a
great contact lens fit and spending five or ten minutes reading this
board for entertainment most days, I have moved on. When I say that I
feel very fortunate about my OUTCOME, why do you insist on calling me
a malcontent? Is everyone who experieces something negative and tries
to change the world for better a "malcontent" in your eyes? Other
than using a laser for some lasik surgeries, what has really changed
since I had my surgery? It may have been five years ago, but lasik is
still lasik. I know you read SE. Don't you see the people currently
landing there with complications from this amazing new technology
called "Wavefront LASIK"? Same old same old--irregular astigmatism,
night vision problems, dry eyes--what has really changed?

>
>The answer is, you are indeed either one of the very worst results
>and/or you are one of the worst malcontents there ever has been.
>
>There are now over 1,500,000 people having LASIK done every year now.
>Why should anybody be concerned about one isolated case done 5 years
>ago to some nut? Over 30,000 children die every day from malnutrition
>and disease - not one of them from LASIK. Over 40,000 people per year
>in the US die in traffic accidents. Nobody has ever died from LASIK.
>I do know about one case of someone dying from cataract surgery though
>- of course they were quite old.
>
>
>On 6 Apr 2004 23:14:56 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>
>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<532670lm1c18e8a1umgjfhdgr39mpnla71@4ax.com>...
>>>On 6 Apr 2004 08:25:44 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<6qb470tv9i6m2nc87p8ht152dn70ekc7or@4ax.com>...
>>>>>On 5 Apr 2004 20:43:07 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Ragnar Suomi <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>wrote in message news:<796270103ufqmsopkni6av23grkphpok1a@4ax.com>...
>>>>>>>On 4 Apr 2004 23:38:51 -0700, sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For DLK, which is an interface inflammation. Are you going to tell me
>>>>>>>>that you've never heard of a flap lift for DLK, Glenn? How about for
>>>>>>>>CTK? We don't have to go too far to find a patient who's had one. I
>>>>>>>>have, and you know, I am darned sure that I'm not the only one to have
>>>>>>>>undergone such a procedure. You can verify my words with Dr.
>>>>>>>>Maloney, if you need to. The second relift he did on my right eye was
>>>>>>>>to wash out inflammation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Two relifts on your right eye? Broken foot? Ripped off your
>>>>>>>epithelium with your RGP plunger? Corenal abrasion from being poked
>>>>>>>in the eye?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You must be cursed. Are you in the Guiness Book yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, I had six relifts on the right eye, and I have not had an
>>>>>>abrasion from being poked in the eye. I'm actually in a frame of mind
>>>>>>of feeling very blessed, Christopher. My mom was diagnosed with
>>>>>>metastasized cancer at age 43 and I'm now 44. I have a lot to be
>>>>>>thankful for---I am still astounded at how an RGP lens eliminates
>>>>>>nearly all of the visual aberrations the cracks in my flap and ridge
>>>>>>in my cornea apparently cause, especially because the problems are not
>>>>>>all on the surface of my cornea.
>>>>>
>>>>>The main problem is between your ears.
>>>>>Six relifts in the right eye. Mercy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Glenn... what percentage of patients have at least one relift?
>>>>>10%?
>>>>>How about 2 relifts? 1%?
>>>>>3 relifts?
>>>>>4 relifts???
>>>>>5 relifts???
>>>>>6 relifts???
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone call the people at the Guiness Book.
>>>>>
>>>>>Someone who claims to have just about the worst LASIK experience of
>>>>>anybody on the planet and then constantly tries to scare people into
>>>>>thinking those results are common is clearly not a rational person.
>>>>
>>>>That's where you are wrong. I do not claim to have had one of the
>>>>worst experiences with lasik. There are so many others so much worse
>>>>off than myself. I consider myself one of the lucky ones because I
>>>>can see again, I did not lose my career and I am not in pain.
>>>
>>>If half of what you say is true, which in your case - it probably
>>>isn't - then you are certainly had one of the worst experiences ever
>>>with lasik.
>>
>>It's all documented by medical and legal records, which the State of
>>Calif. has--80 pounds of records, depositions, etc. Four more months
>>until we have a new budget, and possibly the money to resume
>>investigating bad docs. A funny aside: There were so many documents
>>that my attorney reportedly wanted a few thousand bucks to make copies
>>of them. The State refused, and forced him to ship them up to
>>Sacramento, where they took them to Kinko's and made their own copies
>>and then shipped the originals back to my attorney in several boxes.
>>I guess he didn't make enough money doing nothing while allowing me to
>>do all of the research and thinking for him, including writing over
>>200 questions for the depositions myself.
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lasik-eyes

Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote in message news:<1f704412.0404070736.6cd38998@posting.google.com>...
Quote
Is everyone who experieces something negative and tries
to change the world for better a "malcontent" in your eyes?
No, it's just the way you do it. We're trying to help you with getting
your point across so you don't come over as a "malcontent" but yer
pretty determined...
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Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

On 8 Apr 2004 03:42:41 -0700, iainm@teletext.co.uk (Frostypaw) wrote:
Quote
sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote in message news:<1f704412.0404070736.6cd38998@posting.google.com>...
>Is everyone who experieces something negative and tries
>to change the world for better a "malcontent" in your eyes?

No, it's just the way you do it. We're trying to help you with getting
your point across so you don't come over as a "malcontent" but yer
pretty determined...
Give up there. She is a malcontent to the bone. You would have
better luck getting Bin Laden to convert to judaism.
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Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote in message
Quote
I know you read SE. Don't you see the people currently
landing there with complications from this amazing new technology
called "Wavefront LASIK"? Same old same old--irregular astigmatism,
night vision problems, dry eyes--what has really changed?

>
>
I would bet big wood that these so-called "new people" are just new
"planted stories". They love hysterical drama on that website.
SErebel
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Re:Here's one I wish everyone would read....

I checked yesterday, and there were just 16 users of his site.. and
they all had recognizable names from SE... the core loonies.
On 8 Apr 2004 22:52:26 -0700, serebel@aol.com (serebel) wrote:
Quote
sandy@savvysneaks.com (Sandy) wrote in message
>I know you read SE. Don't you see the people currently
>landing there with complications from this amazing new technology
>called "Wavefront LASIK"? Same old same old--irregular astigmatism,
>night vision problems, dry eyes--what has really changed?
>
>>
>>

I would bet big wood that these so-called "new people" are just new
"planted stories". They love hysterical drama on that website.

SErebel
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